not saying those arent nice wheels guys, just seams obsured (sp?) that you would pay 3000 for used wheels with no rubber. the ones on my car are nicer than the picture depicts, i would rather have different ones so im going to buy some in the fall. they came with the car so i cant complain, especially since i payed under 10g for the car. the receipts show that they were worth 3200 with the rubber on them so they werent cheap either. was doign some searchin on ebay for wheels you can get quite a set of rims and rubber for 1500 shipped...take a look. as far as i know, even the cheapest set of wheels have never failed anyone so i dont worry about it too much as long as they look good.